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#16 2013-03-18 20:20:30

Verifun
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Hi Stef,

Our local office is still digesting all issues we reported in the last weeks (All enhancements I posted here plus other bugs we spotted) - As soon as I get the SCR for this issue from them I'll share it here...


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#17 2013-03-20 15:08:54

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Here it is:

SCR #10097


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#18 2013-03-20 17:43:15

stpendl
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

I already requested to be added to this call.

I used the subject of this thread, since there was no subject of the SCR posted.


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#19 2013-03-24 03:00:15

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

This is also a reflection about licensing in VERICUT:

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#20 2013-03-29 09:14:18

MustaphaC
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

For your information. Here is what Bill Hasenjaeger announced at Irvine VUE 2013:

"At VUE Irvine I answered a licensing question by also announcing that in 7.3 we will add the ability for a user to return any optional license to the license server. This feature will (likely) be implemented in the Help >  License dialog. The user can choose an optional license, and press a button to return it to the license server, making it available to other users.

Optional licenses used by VERICUT that can be returned to the license server are:

•    Multi-Axis
•    OptiPath
•    AUTO-DIFF
•    Model Export
•    Machine Simulation
•    Probing
•    Cutter Grinder Simulation
•    840D VNCK
•    NX Interface
•    CAD Model Interfaces

Once an optional license is returned it may be checked-out immediately by another user, including the same user who just returned it. For example, one of the following two scenarios is possible. Imagine a customer with two Verification licenses and one Multi-Axis license.

Scenario #1:
User #1 is simulating multi-axis motion with the Multi-Axis license. He stops in the midst of simulation and returns the license to the server so another user can use it. User #2 gets the license. Later, user #1 continues his multi-axis simulation, forgetting he no longer has the Multi-Axis license. His simulation continues with no multi-axis material removal, possibly making his VERICUT session invalid. A message displays in the logger telling him he has no Multi-Axis license. Hopefully he notices.

Scenario #2:
Same situation above, but before user #2 starts simulating, user #1 continues his simulation, which checks-out the Multi-Axis license again to user #1. User #2 now starts simulating, expecting to get the Multi-Axis license, but it is not available. He was too slow! A fistfight ensues and both users are fired.

I’m sure there are more possible scenarios we’ve not yet realized.

Note:

•    This does not apply to base licenses such as Verification, Verification Limited, Cutter Grinder, etc. The user exits VERICUT o return these to the license server.
•    This does not apply to CAD/CAM Interface licenses. These licenses are not used by VERICUT. Except the NX Interface license, which is used when reading NX part files directly in VERICUT.

Bill"


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#21 2013-03-29 15:41:26

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Mustapha and CGTEch's team:

Thank you very much for listening to us and adding this way overdue enhancement. I'm sure things will be easier now...

I sincerely hope CGTech can also put some efforts in making VERICUT more tuned with other licensing practices in many CAx systems out there, as discussed here: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.cgtech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1788&p=4788#p4788">viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1788&p=4788#p4788</a><!-- l -->

Unfortunately is almost impossible for most companies to have one VERICUT seat for each NC-Programmer, so in most companies the day-to-day reality is to wait someone to finish and then grab the license. By adding some sharing criteria to the license keys CGTech would put VERICUT in the same page of many systems when it comes to flexibility. It's simply unfair IMHO that a NC-Programmer can't work with VERICUT after a crash if a server admin don't re-start SENTINEL service or he has to wait the key life to expire. The crash itself already causes a disruption in the workflow, let alone the fact he can't retake the session quickly.

All in all, thank you for the improvement. It's very welcome.  :wink:


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#22 2013-04-02 06:32:27

stpendl
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Thanks for this useful enhancement, my users will really like that wink


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#23 2013-04-10 18:00:33

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

The force check-in will be a nice enhancement.
Sounds like it still does not address the issue of license tied up after a crash.
I'm also in the crowd that believes you should be able to open multiple sessions on a single computer using a single license. As pointed out in the installation/licensing/systems forum if someone is trying to RUN multiple sessions it would just slow the system down so we are not really gaining a productivity edge. I do like to have multiple up at the same time to review/troubleshoot settings.

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#24 2013-04-11 08:18:48

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

moudy wrote:

As pointed out in the installation/licensing/systems forum if someone is trying to RUN multiple sessions it would just slow the system down so we are not really gaining a productivity edge.

With todays hardware, multi-core processors and memory size, this shouldn't be an issue.


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#25 2013-04-11 23:32:43

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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

We´re really fortunate when it comes to technology for our programmers... all them are using at least HPZ800 machines with 16Gb of RAM, 8 Xeon cores..., page file is huge on a dedicated hard drive, 40Gb... fixed size to avoid disk fragmentation...

So I don´t buy this stuff anymore "slow down the system" - Maybe 5-10 years ago.. not anymore... Very frustrating to have software that don´t take full advantage of your investments in HW...

If this was a real loss for the software vendors (Opening of multiple sessions in the same hostname/user using the same license), most of other CAx suppliers would not be doing this.

So, my list is small, but sure there are many others:

  • Pro/E
    TopSolid
    NX
    Mastercam
    ANSYS
    Abaqus (Which offers very interesting licensing schemas by the way)
    SolidWorks

All these guys allow the user to open multiple sessions holding just one license... CGTech needs to catch up in this area... - How you can help? Keep sending them e-mails, populating this thread with your opinions and who knows we can get it...  yikes - I think CGTech is listening... this thread is a good proof of this...

JM2C  :idea:


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#26 2013-04-16 07:05:31

MustaphaC
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Done in V7.3,  added a new feature to allow a user to return one of the following licenses to the license server

* Multi-Axis
* OptiPath
* AUTO-DIFF
* Model Export
* Machine Simulation
* Probing
* Cutter Grinder Simulation
* 840D VNCK
* NX Interface
* CAD Model Interfaces

Once an optional license is returned it may be checked-out immediately by another user, including the same user who just returned it.


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#27 2013-04-16 10:58:13

Verifun
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Mustapha,

Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing in regards your previous message:

A - Are we talking about the ability to grab/return licenses in the active session? (The subject of this topic - It's clear for me that CGTEch has solved this in V7.3)
B - Are we talking about the ability to open multiple sessions in the same host/username as discussed here? http://www.cgtech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1788 (This is what I'm claiming in my last post)
C - Are we talking about both? (I mean, A + B were added in V7.3)

Please let us know what exactly you're talking about... and thanks for the heads up!


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#28 2013-04-16 11:47:08

MustaphaC
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Talking about A only which is the original topic here "License management during an active VERICUT session", see page 1


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#29 2013-04-18 09:31:38

Verifun
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

moudy wrote:

...
Sounds like it still does not address the issue of license tied up after a crash...

Yes, I'm insatiable...  :mrgreen:


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#30 2013-04-18 09:34:42

MustaphaC
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Re: License management during an active VERICUT session

Yes this is a different issue and the ability to be able to send optional modules back to server will not solve this issue


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