Multiple setups, 6.2.1

pamccrac · 2009-11-13 17:07:37

In 6.2.1... i have two projects, one a vertical setup for roughing and a horizontal setup for finishing... i'd like to combine them into one project with multiple setups. i use the Attach component in the existing projects for fixture, stock and design positioning . do i need to enter this position in the "new combined" project for both setups or just setup 1?
I have 1 csys in each setup as well, but i don't know if you can move via csys from setup 1 to setup 2...?

SergeV · 2009-11-16 18:05:17

If you look in the Help, training session 25 - Cut Stock Transition between Setups.
It shows a step-by-step how to preserve the transition.

but in resume, the steps are:

cut the first setup
Step one block to get a cut Stock in the second setup
modify its orientation/position
-- in the Modeling window, press the button "Preserve Stock Transition"

- this will create a transition that will be saved with the Project file

pamccrac · 2009-11-18 20:23:28

Thanks for you response SergeV. I didn't use the "preserve stock transition" option since i am using the Attach position for ALL components. I went ahead and entered the position in the Attach form for both setups, the orientation is established there. I'm not sure if this is the best method, but it works over the "preserve transition" method. any feedback is appreciated...

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Woody · 2009-11-18 20:34:37

I've been trying to get multipul setup working with out any success. How do I get to that Help file? Couldn't figure that out either, sure could use a hand SergeV.
Thanks

SergeV · 2009-11-18 20:40:37

By changing the Attach orientation/position, you are achieving the same thing, when the cut stock is transfered from the first to the second setup it will position itself relative to its parent component.

The only drawback to your method is that the Attach component position and orientation is saved with the machine file and not the project. I avoid modifying the machine file, because it could affect the simulation of other jobs using this machine. By applying the new location to the Stock component instead, it will be saved in the vcproject files where you have all the job specific settings.

The button "Preserve Stock Transition" automatically creates 1 CSYS in the first setup and one in the second setup in the new orientation. It is a convenience. But both methods are valid.

SergeV · 2009-11-18 20:43:00

Woody wrote:

I've been trying to get multipul setup working with out any success. How do I get to that Help file? Couldn't figure that out either, sure could use a hand SergeV.
Thanks

Help On VERICUT...
select the branch Training Sessions in the Adobe reader

pamccrac · 2009-11-18 21:32:54

SergeV wrote:

The only drawback to your method is that the Attach component position and orientation is saved with the machine file and not the project. I avoid modifying the machine file, because it could affect the simulation of other jobs using this machine.

I too was considering the drawback you mentioned. In turn i posted another question about here about using teamcenter for revision control. this would be ideal for more than just this reason and i think then i would be able to save not only a .vcproject file for each job but a .mch file as well without interupting the "master" machine file.

if i went the other method, how is the fixture and design handled? would i have to set the position in each component, for both setups? These will vary from one product to the next. Also, I have a csys already defined for each setup in my template. is there a way to use those in my template instead of the "preserve stock transition" created csys?

SergeV · 2009-11-18 22:07:05

If you use the NX to VERICUT interface and have 2 setups, the interface will create the CSYS for the stock transition for you.

If your Design is visible in the first setup and is attached to the Stock component, it will follow in the second operation automatically. You only need to define it in the first setup.

Each operation will generally have their own fixture. so, there is no transfer of fixture between setups.

You can use your own CSYS to move the stock instead of the CSYS created by "Preserve Stock Transition". The rule is that the CSYS must have the same name in both setups. When created, the CSYS must be attached to the Stock. The CSYS in the second setup must have the box "Use for Cut Stock Transition" must be checked.

Part transfer rules:
1) Cut Stock is moved to the second setup if the Stock component has the same name (for multiple stocks,Stock1 to Stock1, Stock2 to Stock2, etc...). If the component name does not match, the cut stock is not transfered.
2) By default, the cut stock keeps the same position/orientation relative to the stock component when transfered.
3) if both setups have a matching name CSYS attached to the stock and the second one is marked "Use for Stock Transition", the cut stock will be moved from the difference between the 2 CSYS.

pamccrac · 2009-11-20 12:54:36

Great explanation SergeV! Thanks

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#1 2009-11-13 17:07:37

Multiple setups, 6.2.1

#2 2009-11-16 18:05:17

Re: Multiple setups, 6.2.1

#3 2009-11-18 20:23:28

Re: Multiple setups, 6.2.1

#4 2009-11-18 20:34:37

Re: Multiple setups, 6.2.1

#5 2009-11-18 20:40:37

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#6 2009-11-18 20:43:00

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#7 2009-11-18 21:32:54

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